The Borrowers

What the government gives British soldiers is usually rubbish and there are lots of things that they don’t give us which the just expect us to have. To be fair it was ever thus.

Because British soldier habitually go to war under equipped they borrow (or steal) equipment from their allies. We are known throughout NATO as “the Borrowers”. Ahhhhh such a proud military tradition.

Bungees, waterproof note books, highlighter pens, wax pencils, map cases, woolly hats, tent pegs, etc, etc, etc. These may seem like trivial items but actually as any soldier will tell you, you cannot do your job properly without these.

A soldier cannot do their job at all without bullets. To hear that the government sent 3Para to Hulmund with duff ammo fills me with anger. When John Reid (Labour leadership hopeful) said that the Paras could do their job without firing a single bullet, did he know something that we are only just finding out about?

Here is the footage of the duff 50Cal ammo. The incident is 2min 20seconds in.

By the way, if you have ever had to cock a 50Cal you will know just how hard this young soldier is working.

10 responses to “The Borrowers

  1. This makes me so angry and so sad. If we don’t have the resources we don’t go to war. It isn’t right and it isn’t fair.

  2. This makes me so angry and so sad. If we don’t have the resources we don’t go to war. It isn’t right and it isn’t fair.

  3. I have just ranted on about this on my blog, look, somebody made a decision to buy this 60 cent crap, he/she should be sacked. I note than rather than fulfill his promise on ‘anything the boys need will be provided’ we are quitting Iraq before the May elections.

  4. I have just ranted on about this on my blog, look, somebody made a decision to buy this 60 cent crap, he/she should be sacked. I note than rather than fulfill his promise on ‘anything the boys need will be provided’ we are quitting Iraq before the May elections.

  5. This is completely true and it’s a total disgrace. One example is the Dragon Skin personal armour which was tested out as the best but because of pre-contracts with the US government, they were marginalized and thus the Brits didn’t get it either. This is just one small aspect. One either equips one’s forces with the best or you don’t go to war. But that’s naive, isn’t it?

  6. This is completely true and it’s a total disgrace. One example is the Dragon Skin personal armour which was tested out as the best but because of pre-contracts with the US government, they were marginalized and thus the Brits didn’t get it either. This is just one small aspect. One either equips one’s forces with the best or you don’t go to war. But that’s naive, isn’t it?

  7. To the guy at the treasury who forced the MOD to make the decsion to buy 60 cent crap ammo: I hope you get killed in an accident on your way home tonight! You are worthless. Have you any idea how frightening it is to have a weapon stop working in a firefight? How can we put our soldiers through this? It’s just so wrong on all levels.
    I know we have the best soldiers in the world in the British Army, but let’s not let the British sense of fair play mean we have to handicap them just to give the fuzzy wuzzy’s a fair chance!!
    And what t**t said this An MoD spokesman said: “There are no current problems with this ammunition.”.

    How weak is that?
    Paulipoos is fuming

  8. To the guy at the treasury who forced the MOD to make the decsion to buy 60 cent crap ammo: I hope you get killed in an accident on your way home tonight! You are worthless. Have you any idea how frightening it is to have a weapon stop working in a firefight? How can we put our soldiers through this? It’s just so wrong on all levels.
    I know we have the best soldiers in the world in the British Army, but let’s not let the British sense of fair play mean we have to handicap them just to give the fuzzy wuzzy’s a fair chance!!
    And what t**t said this An MoD spokesman said: “There are no current problems with this ammunition.”.

    How weak is that?
    Paulipoos is fuming

  9. Also, Does anyone remember the hollow promise made by Blair, that anything an Army commander asked for, he would get?
    Well, Commander 12 Armoured Brigade (who will take over from the marines in helmand in April) has said that having seen the current situation he can only do it with Warrior AFVs and Challenger 2 MBTs. Guess what he’s been told? (OK, I know it’s from the mail, and salt pinches should be the order of the day, but…)

    Army fury as chief in Afghanistan is told he won’t get vital armour

    The senior Army officer who will command British troops in Afghanistan next year is embroiled in a furious row with the Ministry of Defence after learning he will be denied vital armour to protect his men.

    Brigadier John Lorimer, who will take charge of more than 5,000 troops in the spring, issued a ‘shopping list’ of requirements after a week-long recce in volatile Helmand province, the stronghold of Taliban fighters.

    The tough and experienced Parachute Regiment officer asked for up to 12 Challenger 2 tanks, 14 Warrior armoured vehicles and four AS90 artillery guns – plus an extra 600-strong battalion of troops.

    But he has been told by senior MoD officials that his requests will be denied.

    A source close to 43-year-old Brigadier Lorimer, who commands 12 Mechanised Brigade, said: “He has been told that there is little likelihood of him getting his tanks. He is extremely unhappy about this. He is disappointed and frustrated.”

    The MoD snub comes just six weeks after Tony Blair promised on TV: “If the commanders on the ground want more equipment, armoured vehicles for example, more helicopters, that will be provided. Whatever package they want, we will do.”

    A senior Army source told The Mail on Sunday last night: “The denial of John Lorimer’s operational requirements shows how empty Blair’s words were.

    “The Taliban are certain to launch a major offensive in Helmand next spring and the Brigadier wanted the extra armour to protect his men. No chance, as his requests were rejected in their entirety.

    “Officers in 12 Mech Brigade see this as as a dereliction of duty by Defence Ministers. Lorimer still hasn’t been given an explanation. One can only assume it’s to do with lack of availability, equipment shortages and cost-saving.”

    Last night Shadow Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox said: “This insult to the man taking over as commander of our troops in Afghanistan proves that no one, including those on the front line, can take seriously a word that Tony Blair says.

    “He is not trusted by anyone and he should go now. He promises everything and gives nothing. His words are not worth the breath he uses to say them.”

    The row is yet another example of Labour’s volatile relationship with Armed Forces top brass. Last month Mr Blair was left reeling after General Sir Richard Dannatt, Chief of the General Staff, said British troops should come home from Iraq within two years and warned that the Army could ‘break’ if British soldiers were kept there too long.

    Brigadier Lorimer came to prominence as the commander of British troops in Basra in September last year, when he ordered 40 SAS men to storm an Iraqi police station where two undercover Special Boat Service (SBS) troopers were being held captive by armed militia.

    British Warriors bulldozed their way in to rescue the SBS pair. Three soldiers had to jump clear from a Warrior with their clothes on fire after being petrol-bombed by insurgents.

    The deployment of 12 Mechanised Brigade in Afghanistan will last six months. The lead infantry element will be the 1st Battalion Royal Anglian Regiment, backed by troops from 19 Field Regiment Royal Artillery, 26 Engineer Regiment, two squadrons of Light Dragoons and men from the 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards.

    Yesterday the MoD took the unusual step of issuing a statement on behalf of Brigadier Lorimer. It said: “Suggestions that I am angry or frustrated are simply not true. I have conducted my reconnaissance and made recommendations. I am perfectly happy that those are being considered in the normal way and I am closely involved in that process.”

    An MoD spokesman said: “No decisions about the force package for Afghanistan in 2007 have been taken and no requests have been turned down.”

  10. Also, Does anyone remember the hollow promise made by Blair, that anything an Army commander asked for, he would get?
    Well, Commander 12 Armoured Brigade (who will take over from the marines in helmand in April) has said that having seen the current situation he can only do it with Warrior AFVs and Challenger 2 MBTs. Guess what he’s been told? (OK, I know it’s from the mail, and salt pinches should be the order of the day, but…)

    Army fury as chief in Afghanistan is told he won’t get vital armour

    The senior Army officer who will command British troops in Afghanistan next year is embroiled in a furious row with the Ministry of Defence after learning he will be denied vital armour to protect his men.

    Brigadier John Lorimer, who will take charge of more than 5,000 troops in the spring, issued a ‘shopping list’ of requirements after a week-long recce in volatile Helmand province, the stronghold of Taliban fighters.

    The tough and experienced Parachute Regiment officer asked for up to 12 Challenger 2 tanks, 14 Warrior armoured vehicles and four AS90 artillery guns – plus an extra 600-strong battalion of troops.

    But he has been told by senior MoD officials that his requests will be denied.

    A source close to 43-year-old Brigadier Lorimer, who commands 12 Mechanised Brigade, said: “He has been told that there is little likelihood of him getting his tanks. He is extremely unhappy about this. He is disappointed and frustrated.”

    The MoD snub comes just six weeks after Tony Blair promised on TV: “If the commanders on the ground want more equipment, armoured vehicles for example, more helicopters, that will be provided. Whatever package they want, we will do.”

    A senior Army source told The Mail on Sunday last night: “The denial of John Lorimer’s operational requirements shows how empty Blair’s words were.

    “The Taliban are certain to launch a major offensive in Helmand next spring and the Brigadier wanted the extra armour to protect his men. No chance, as his requests were rejected in their entirety.

    “Officers in 12 Mech Brigade see this as as a dereliction of duty by Defence Ministers. Lorimer still hasn’t been given an explanation. One can only assume it’s to do with lack of availability, equipment shortages and cost-saving.”

    Last night Shadow Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox said: “This insult to the man taking over as commander of our troops in Afghanistan proves that no one, including those on the front line, can take seriously a word that Tony Blair says.

    “He is not trusted by anyone and he should go now. He promises everything and gives nothing. His words are not worth the breath he uses to say them.”

    The row is yet another example of Labour’s volatile relationship with Armed Forces top brass. Last month Mr Blair was left reeling after General Sir Richard Dannatt, Chief of the General Staff, said British troops should come home from Iraq within two years and warned that the Army could ‘break’ if British soldiers were kept there too long.

    Brigadier Lorimer came to prominence as the commander of British troops in Basra in September last year, when he ordered 40 SAS men to storm an Iraqi police station where two undercover Special Boat Service (SBS) troopers were being held captive by armed militia.

    British Warriors bulldozed their way in to rescue the SBS pair. Three soldiers had to jump clear from a Warrior with their clothes on fire after being petrol-bombed by insurgents.

    The deployment of 12 Mechanised Brigade in Afghanistan will last six months. The lead infantry element will be the 1st Battalion Royal Anglian Regiment, backed by troops from 19 Field Regiment Royal Artillery, 26 Engineer Regiment, two squadrons of Light Dragoons and men from the 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards.

    Yesterday the MoD took the unusual step of issuing a statement on behalf of Brigadier Lorimer. It said: “Suggestions that I am angry or frustrated are simply not true. I have conducted my reconnaissance and made recommendations. I am perfectly happy that those are being considered in the normal way and I am closely involved in that process.”

    An MoD spokesman said: “No decisions about the force package for Afghanistan in 2007 have been taken and no requests have been turned down.”

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